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  The first of many 2013 District Conventions is over . . .

  by bats in the belfry in

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  was it worth attending?.

  is your survival more sure now?.

  which part of gods word is truth!

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  breakfast of champions

  modern and appealing publications ie non Jw ones are shiny and bright, not in lovely pastel water colours like these.

  Light-colored pastels = less ink = less $$$$$$$
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  British zone visit from David Splane - a report from the special meeting in Glasgow

  by slimboyfat in

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  well i went to a "special meeting" in the armadillo today where a 2 & 1/2 hour programme was relayed from london at 1pm.

  apparently the letters of invitation only went out a month or so ago and not all congregations were invited.

  there were 2,900 of us from around scotland.

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  If traumatic things have happened in your past then just don't think about it, that's the best you can do until the new system

  For me, this statement establishes Mr. Splane as a complete, fucking shithead.
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  Newby here

  by 1009 in

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  2. friends

  i am new here and briefly want to introduce myself.. my name is michel and i am from the netherlands.

  became baptized when i was 14, started pioneering when i got 18 and i've been ms for a number of years.

  i married another pioneer and after a while we joined a foreign language congregation.

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  breakfast of champions

  Hey there!
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  The new light re 1919 appointment of FDS demolishes the 'one true religion' concept

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  another poster on here called separation of powers made a profound comment on another thread recently that i thought was worthy of starting a new thread about:.

  "in my opinion, the new light regarding the fds addresses this question, if there was no fds from the 3rd century on until 1918, and yet the article states that there were anointed followers here and there during that almost 2000 years of no fds, then what organization did they follow?

  there was no organization, yet they were anointed per the article.

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  breakfast of champions

  "Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive"
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  'Equal Topless Rights For All' public equality comes to NYC

  by designs in

  1. social
  2. current

  women gained some ground this week when the nypd said they will no longer arrest women who choose to go topless (like the guys) in public.. http://www.policy.com/articles/42359/topless-women-in-public-not-breaking-the-law-says-nypd.

  san francisco and fremont california have had the annual naked bike ride and solstice festivals for a few years now..

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  breakfast of champions

  I'm all for it.
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  What Should Be The Attitude Toward Opposers Who Encourage Jehovah's Witnesses To Read Apostate Material?

  by Bangalore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what should be the attitude toward opposers who encourage jehovah's witnesses to read apostate material?

  here is a jw apologist's viewpoint.. .

  http://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.com/2013/05/what-should-be-attitude-toward-opposers.html.

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  breakfast of champions

  Some counter-apologetics:

  SNARE&RACKET already kind of covered this, but I'll give it a shot, too. The "Nissan" argument is really just a straw man. First, it assumes there is some sort of "profit motive" (and we'll come back to that idea shortly). A better correlate would be someone looking for a new car and perhaps Googling "Nissan". Where would they find the most unbiased information on Nissan products? The Nissan website? I know when I'm shopping for anything I like to read customer reviews, whether good or bad. I usually throw out the lowest rated reviews (folks who are just sour grapes over some minor issues) and the highest rated reviews (people who are gaga over any given product). The "truth" of the matter is usually somewhere in the middle. And imagine telling your Nissan dealer that you would like to go home and google Nissan and him saying, "No! No! You must only get information from nissan.com!" That would certainly raise some red flags.

  Something else that raised a "red flag" in this blog was the quote from Lonnie D. Kliever. According to Wikipedia, Kliever seems pretty legit: considered an expert on cults and "new religious movements", he was highly critical of the government's assault on the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas.

  Then I found a copy of the paper he wrote and that was quoted in the blog, Apostates and New Religious Movements. What he writes on page 2 of the paper is quite quite revealing, and pretty much sets the tone of the paper as one biased towards new religious movements:

  "I have been asked by the Church of Scientology to give my expert opinion on two broad issues: (1) The incidence of apostasy in new religious movements and (2) The reliability of apostate accounts of their former religious beliefs and practices."

  Hmmmmmm. . . So who has the "profit motive" in this scenario?

  Overall, I found the piece to be largely pro-cult, live-and-let-live, it's-the-victim's-fault-for-believing-this-bullshit-in-the-first-place propaganda. There are some fairly well articulated passages, though:

  "The apostate should not be accepted uncritically [italics his] by the mass media, the scholarly community, the legal system, or governmental agencies as a reliable source of information about new religious movements."

  I think he's right here. I felt the same way when I started my search for TTATT. There were some apostate sources I steered clear from (I won't name names but I think you know the types) and there were others who were credible (or pretty much had all of REALITY on their side, e.g. JWFACTS).

  What comes out in the piece is that yes, the media likes a good story, and certain apostates will "embellish" their experience in whatever church for the shock value. But I would argue (and he admits to some extent) that a vast majority of apostates are not in it to shock, but to inform. Also, the article is (as the name suggests) targeting the idea of apostates being used in the media and in courts, not merely for the anecdotal insight they might give the average person on the inner workings of an NRM.

  Unfortunately, though, he ends the piece with the bit quoted in the blog, and it's pretty clear there's a bias for NRM's at the very least in a let's-not-judge sort of way.

  Want to read it yourself? Just google "The Reliability of Apostate Testimony About New Religious Movements"
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  August 15,2013 Watchtower same old, same old

  by hoser in

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  2. friends

  do more service.

  don't drink too much booze.

  don't watch porn on your computer we know you still do.

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  breakfast of champions

  Based upon my brief perusal of the latest magazine, this issue seems like the "softball" they typically lob after the seriously wacky mag, i.e. the July Study Edition.
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  let's review what we've learned from the Jeremiah book so far

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok group, we have learned:.

  a. working more to provide for ones family is tantamount to worshipping false gods!.

  b. do'nt have children because one day you might have to eat them!.

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  breakfast of champions

  Not one word of the "Jeremiah" book has anything to do with the bibe book of Jeremiah. Jeremiah is merely a vehicle for the Watchtower's behavior-control propaganda.
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  Here comes Baruch again

  by stillin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  somehow this weeks book study, which covered some more about baruch, managed to turn it into a slam against education or trying to improve yourself very much.

  ok, he didn't "seek great things for himself.

  " but to twist that into the diatribe against college education, under the pretense of a bible study, is simply appallingly irresponsible!

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  breakfast of champions

  I told my wife that the saddest part of this weeks study is that there is sooooo much other information about Baruch other than this little snippet from the bible they keep yammering on about.

  What this article shows is they are not interested in Jeremiah, Baruch, the bible, or other extra biblical sources/history. The bible is just a vehicle for their cult behavior control tactics.
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  Can losing faith in God be a disfellowshipping offense?

  by Emery in

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  2. friends

  i have been pondering this question for awhile.

  say a person during a shepherding visit with the elders were to simply state that they had lost their faith in god because of the subject of suffering-- would the elders still have grounds to disfellowship them even if the person did not actually commit a sinful offense?

  instead of diving into all the errors, false prophecies, and lies advanced by the organization can somebody simply say, "i have lost faith in jehovah" and walk away without being publically denounced?

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  breakfast of champions

  EMERY - I just talked (actually cried, mostly) to my PO. Told him I wanted to be deleted, too. He was very compassionate, a good guy. That was about it.